There are few successful online communities founded by businesses. Amateurs usually do it better.
- Contacts. Amateurs are typically passionate fans with lots of friends they can tell about their new online community. This helps a lot. They have trust and respect from the people they want to join.
- Knowledge. They know what the big issues are, who the most influential people are, the personality of the people and what the audience intends to talk about.
- Passion. They’re passionate about the subject, they work on the online community during off-work hours (the times when people can visit and participate). They enjoy doing this.
- No Objectives/Time Frame. Amateurs aren’t concerned with objectives, ROI or time frames. They’re not burdened with anything other than creating an awesome community for the community. No extractions are necessary.
- No Budget. Amateurs aren’t burdened (yes, burdened) with a budget. They’re not forced to waste a five-figure sum and countless months on a bespoke community site reflect an organization’s brand image.
- Technology Luddites. They pick a simple technology they know how to use. By coincidence, this is also a simple technology their audience knows how to use.
- No plan for growth. Amateurs don’t try to grow big. They focus on making the community fun rather than huge. If they don’t want more members, they don’t try to get any more members.
- They stick around for longer. Amateurs don’t abandon the community when they find a new job, or get given a promotion, or their work load picks up. They make the time every day (or evening) for the community.
You’re competing against amateurs. If you can’t run a better online community than the amateurs, members will leave for one run by one. The very online communities that most businesses want are the communities they would have if they acted less like a business and more like a passionate amateur.


Hey Rich
Great points - I think that pretty much covers it. Interestingly I've just been watching a TED talk on motivation by Dan Pink - it's more about motivation in business rather than community specific but he talks about Autonomy, Mastery and Purpose as being the main motivators for more creative, problem solving jobs and I think those three points sit nicely with online communities too.
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation.html
Posted by: twitter.com/grumblemouse | Monday, 23 November 2009 at 22:14
All are accurate except for "Technology Luddites". That one is baseless.
Posted by: Shingu | Tuesday, 24 November 2009 at 04:05
Great points .. and right, not luddites .. as much as embracers of what works 'now', the SM path of least resistance
Posted by: Doug Mazanec | Tuesday, 24 November 2009 at 15:46
Agreed...even worse if you work for a company that wants to have a community, hires a community manager, but has no respect or understanding for/of what that person does or the "human" side of community. It is not all in the numbers.
Posted by: AR. | Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 01:19
Hi Rich,
I love this stuff and totally agree. We have a number of active communities and all have the same model - built, run, led and governed by members of that community. More 'slicker' areas have been built for staff but few attract engagement as they don't have the bodies 'on the ground' or an adoption approach. When asked why these expensive areas are never used I mention that its a typical 'launch and leave' approach. The active communities 'launch and seed'.
Posted by: mark tilbury | Wednesday, 25 November 2009 at 12:08
Your arguments are strong but not totaly convincing. Amateurs have no goal, so they can't fail...
Posted by: Eric | Thursday, 26 November 2009 at 01:03
excellent post, Richard! creativity is usually a good input in their projects.
cheers,
@RolandoPeralta
Posted by: Rolando Peralta | Thursday, 10 December 2009 at 15:30
I think a lot of these ideas point to the concept of authenticity and sincerity which aren't components that can be installed with the deployment of a community management system.
Posted by: Scareytweets | Thursday, 10 December 2009 at 15:31
@Eric, you say that like it's a bad thing. I think it's one of the strengths of the amateur. They can discover what's amazing, rather than trying to pour a community into a mold that may or may not be viable.
Posted by: Sonia Simone | Wednesday, 16 December 2009 at 22:54
Hmmm. Not sure I agree with the idea that amateurs have no goal and therefore can't fail. The goal is to 1) share knowledge and 2) have fun. I think amateur communities succeed admirably by those criteria.
It is true, however, that if you view goals through, say, the SMART system, then "share knowledge" and "have fun" don't fit the Measurable or Time-based criteria so are therefore not goals.
Posted by: CathyD | Thursday, 17 December 2009 at 04:47
@Eric, The goal of the amatures communitunity is still to foster relationships between members.. And that can fail as I understand.
Posted by: Jhon | Friday, 08 January 2010 at 15:40
Good post. But the question then is: how long will amateurs be amateurs... Companies would love to absorb these amateurs.
Posted by: Frankmanders | Wednesday, 20 January 2010 at 14:15
Great post, couldn't agree more. Doing exactly that with Wreckamovie.com and have tons of examples of your points in action. Star Wreck, the crowdsourced movie that started it all for us, got a distribution deal with Universal. They wanted to do the subtitles in Norwegian "properly", ie pay some professional to do the job, The community had already done the job, but of course couldn't go with what a bunch of amateurs had done... End result was that the version the amateurs had done was far superior. The had done it out of love and passion for the movie, as fans. The professionals just did it for money, and not even enough money, so they didn't care too much about the result. Just another job...
Anyway, amateurs on Wreckamovie.com will wreck Hollywood for the reasons you list. Same thing kind of happened to software thru open source. We live in exciting times!
Posted by: Peter Vesterbacka | Wednesday, 03 February 2010 at 22:37
I think this is a great post and brings up some very good points for those who are attempting to represent a business in an online community. After all, once it becomes a job, the tone often changes without intent; but perhaps with intent it can change back?
Posted by: C Yates | Wednesday, 03 February 2010 at 22:40